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43: Knowing What We Do ~ The Seven Hebrew Words For Praise Pt. 1
Have you ever wondered why we worship the way we do, or felt like you're just going through the motions? Prepare to have your mind and spirit refreshed as we delve into the transformative power of intentional worship and praise. Our discussion takes you beyond the surface, reaching into the heart of faith expressions to uncover the 'why' behind each gesture and word. And in true Open Waters style, we share a laugh about the quirks of daily life, like the trials of needing glasses. By the end, our aim is to have you not only understand but feel the purpose behind your worship, turning it from routine to a powerful, spear-sharpened expression of faith.
In this episode, we don't just talk at you; we walk alongside you, exploring the richness of Hebrew praise words like Barak and their profound impact on our modern worship. With insights from resources like Vivian Hibbert's enlightening book, we learn to align our posture, both physically and spiritually, to magnify God's sovereignty. Forget rigid worship structures; here, we champion being led by the Holy Spirit and embracing the full spectrum of biblical praise. Whether it's kneeling in reverence or strumming an instrument in jubilant adoration, this episode promises to ignite a more authentic, spirit-filled approach to your worship practice. Join us, and let's make every act of praise a well-aimed arrow straight to the heart of what matters most.
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when I know what I'm doing. It also just allows me to be more purposeful and, like this, if we're warring for something, I'm going to give a type of worship or praise that is aimed towards warring and battling, and so it allows you to be more. It's like, instead of being a bent spearhead, with kind of like kind of knowing where you're going, you know, like if you're in error, you're fletching. You're kind of missing, fletching hearing there. So you're an arrow, you're fletching, you're kind of missing, fletching hearing there. So you're kind of wiggle a little bit, but you'll hit your mark somewhere. But it's just like having being fully together, being fully sharpened. The spear's thrown. Javelin goes where it needs to go, an arrow goes straight. How about Dale? It's like you're knowing what you're doing and why you're doing it.
Speaker 2:Welcome everybody, open Waters fam to the episode.
Speaker 1:I have no idea. That's your department, not mine. 43rd or 44th.
Speaker 2:Okay, we'll see 43rd, see if you're right.
Speaker 1:Can you look it up please? I don't know, why do I have to look it up? Okay, why do I have to be right, it's okay, it's okay it doesn't have to be correct.
Speaker 2:Just get out of your normal zone. No, I your normal zone.
Speaker 1:No, I'm waiting Anyway, sorry.
Speaker 2:It's good to get out of your normal zone All right, so it's either I just have a question for you. Why do you Do you know why that you have to say the number of episodes?
Speaker 1:Because y'all need to know which episode we on. So if you've missed all the other ones, you got to know that there are 40 plus episodes to go and check out there you go less episodes to go and check out.
Speaker 2:Ah, there you go. So it's the importance of knowing why you do what you do. That's good. Why?
Speaker 1:are you here, which ties into what we're going to talk about, when you have not listened to the past episodes? Exactly True, and it does tie in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it does A hundred percent, but first we have to do more about us, True?
Speaker 1:All right, so I I got one, don't even shoot me. Okay, I'm cool, I'm excited about this Do you need glasses or not? I'm wearing them right now.
Speaker 2:But do you need them? Like everyday life generally? Okay, so I spent almost 50 years of my life no, let's say 45 years of my life not having to wear glasses, and then something happened. I turned a corner, and now she wear glasses, and then something happened.
Speaker 2:I turned a corner and now she got glasses. I understand the trials and tribulations of having to have your glasses to see, so I have to wear them, unless I'm still believing that God can supernaturally heal and my eyes. There's some kind of fun stuff that you can do with castor oil and different things. We'll see. But anyhow that's a sidebar, uh, for reading.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I have to for that now for me I technically do not appreciate you, I don't actually like to think you don't know, I can see perfectly fine, like I can live maybe 98 of life without my glasses. But it's like going from like, if you know, like TV and like computer, like not at all computer but like resolution stuff. It's like going from 1080p to like 4K, so it's like I can see plenty fine on like my own, but it's like seeing far.
Speaker 2:What about that?
Speaker 1:lazy eye, josiah. What about that lazy eye, josiah? What about that lazy doctor was lying when he said I had a lazy eye anyway.
Speaker 2:I used to tell Josiah Josiah, are you being lazy, not wearing your glasses for lazy eyes? He loves me so much.
Speaker 1:I love her so much, all right, anyway, the answer is more or less no okay, whatever winning.
Speaker 2:Okay, the answer is more or less no.
Speaker 1:Okay, whatever Winning Okay, so Anyway today's topic. All right, after wasting so much time. I'm just kidding, it's not a waste. They're getting to know us. The topic for today is essentially it goes. There's two topics. One of them we'll kind of get to later, but the first part we want to get to is um, why do we do the things we do within worship and praise?
Speaker 2:Yeah, kind of knowing the reason why you're doing things, not just and kind of like the meaning behind some of what you're doing, versus just doing it because it's what you always done, we've always done, kind of giving you that biblical basis and that, um, I don't know, it just puts more power to it. It makes it more meaningful, I think, in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1:A hundred percent.
Speaker 2:And intentional.
Speaker 1:We don't want to just you know, like everybody kind of talks about like generational patterns. We don't want it to just be a generational pattern Like why do you raise your hands? Well, I've always seen my mom raise her hands Right. Or why do you always yell in worship? Well, because my dad yells in worship. And so it's like why do you do it? I think it's better to have like I don't want to just be good enough with. My parents did it and they were very biblical people, but I want to know for myself that I'm biblical. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:And we want to move past just doing things because it's tradition. We want to do things because from our heart it just means something Like I'm going to do a total sidebar. Example Totally.
Speaker 2:But it's something that has really been like reading me like crazy and just has enlightened me. So you know, we've always learned that God's Word is live and active and sharper than a double-edged sword. Right, it accomplishes what it sets out to do. But for me, when I recently did the study and it talked about how English is symbolic our language, english, describes what we see. English describes this cup that I'm holding in my hand full of water. I just use English as symbolism to describe that. But the Word of God is not symbolic. When you speak the Word of God, you are actually releasing what it is.
Speaker 2:It is like it is what it says it's not symbolic, and while that's been something I've heard all my life, it just became so real.
Speaker 2:So now, when I speak the Word of God, it's moved to a whole different level for me, like Like I have a new understanding. I can't believe it took me this long, but I have a new understanding of why I speak the word of God, why I say it with my mouth, because it's actually alive and it's active. Why do I read it? Because it's alive, like it speaks to what happened 4,000 years ago and it speaks to what is happening right now like the end times that they thought they were in a couple thousand years ago and it speaks to like the end times that we're in today. So, anyway, I think it's the same kind of logic or concept. It's like when we praise, when we know some of the reasons and the power and the foundations of it and what it actually is, when we do it, there's just more power and more um, I don't want to say just energy, but just there's so much more to it.
Speaker 1:I think there's more authority when you know, when you know what you're talking about. Yeah, because it's more of a, it's a more of a reality to you, like you're actually like. It's not just a concept, you know. It's more of like the thing I could think of is it's not just a, it's not just a concept, you know, it's more of like. The thing I can think of is it's not just a, it's not just a theory, it's now a law. You know, like saying I'm not, I'm not, yeah, it's not abstract, it's more concrete.
Speaker 2:It's not something out there like a parable, it's reality.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not like you know when. When you're in science and you're trying to figure out, you're using scientific method to figure out if something's true or not, like Isaac Newton did a whole bunch of experiments to define this law, that is gravity. You know that type of deal. It's like he's dropping apples on his heads.
Speaker 1:I mean he didn't do that himself, but like that type of thing, it's like he did things to test this out, but it's like that's pretty much what we're doing, like when we know the word of God is like. It's like, instead of just being something that we know of, it's something that we know for a fact.
Speaker 1:And so I think there's a huge importance in the church nowadays because I think a lot of the churches nowadays have grown out of teaching words and different things that are meaningful. We talked briefly about it last episode and that was the seven words of praise, and we won't get into it quite yet. We will in a second.
Speaker 2:But there's the seven words of praise that apparently were taught throughout churches AG Church, different churches, carmen, by the way, for any of you excuse me, I'm interrupting you any of you oldies out there or youngies that have ever heard of Carmen, he, he was a singer and he did all sorts of like dramatic songs, like story songs and, um, if you go in the back, he has seven forms of praise and it goes through these seven forms and, like it's very, we should I'll show it to you when we get in the car, but it's super cool because it's it's's very, it's something that you'll remember.
Speaker 2:So, anyway, just a sidebar, yeah.
Speaker 1:And so a lot of churches have kind of weaned away from, you know, teaching those. I mean, for reasons I don't know, I'm not going to judge them because it's not my job, but it's like there's an importance in knowing those words. That's why we taught them. Um churches to come back to teaching those words, um, and for us to learn those words. So, yeah, um, there's anyway more about like there's power in knowing what you're doing and authority.
Speaker 2:That's really good totally intentionality, yeah, um kind of.
Speaker 1:Another point too is there's an also a depth that you get to experience god when you know what you're doing. And so, like when I'm worshiping and let's say, um, I'm just in the audience, this time I'm joining in worship with my voice. In the audience, I get to do some of these praises. The songs are doing themselves a thing, but I get myself to do some different forms of praise when I know what I'm doing. It also just allows me to be more purposeful. If we're warring for something, I'm going to give a type of worship or praise that is aimed towards warring and battling, and so it allows you to be more. It's like, instead of being a bent spearhead, with kind of like kind of knowing where you're going, you know like if you're an arrow, you're fletching, you're kind of missing fletching, hearing there. So you're you're kind of kind of wiggle a little bit, but you hit your mark somewhere. But it's just like having being fully together, being fully sharpened. The spear's thrown, javelin goes where it needs to go, an arrow goes straight. Have a deal.
Speaker 1:It's like you're knowing what you're doing and why you're doing it yeah, it's good and when you should be doing it and so, um, yeah, so what we'll be going through for the next couple weeks is, um, the seven hebrew words of praise, yeah, um, and they're, they're super awesome. I already went through a little bit of them. Um, and we're going to be going over these with you guys. Uh, two, two at a time. Today's one, because there's seven. There's an odd one out, so we're.
Speaker 2:We're also getting this. Out of which book I mean you're getting some of your information? From what book? I believe it's the Hebrew Praise Let me see, I mean not the Hebrew Praise. You sent me the name, I'll look for it. While you talk, you can keep talking.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a book from Vivian Hibbert. Oh yes, and it's a book on praise and Vivian Hibbert's very closely related not related like on family-wise, but very close to Manuel Rodriguez of the Worshiping Musician School. Oh man.
Speaker 2:And he's she's awesome Deep.
Speaker 1:We had a teacher worship summit that we went to and she was one of the people that taught. And she just, there was just such a depth of when she talks. She like it wasn't like something that she was guessing or stumbling upon over herself. Like she like like she just came over like a, like a gold coin in the middle of the road. She like, literally, was like it's something that she's worked at and had time with God and and it's just prophetic worship prophetic worship by Vivian Hibbert put out by Judah books.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there we go, so if you guys want the book, go and check it out I believe it's on Amazon or just look it up on Google, it should pop up.
Speaker 2:Yep, anyway. So what is the first type of praise that we're going to talk about?
Speaker 1:So, starting off today, we'll have the first word, which is called Barak. It's like Barak.
Speaker 2:Like you have to roll that R.
Speaker 1:Barak, barak and not many people, not many Americans can do it Like barak.
Speaker 2:Yeah, barak, it just requires a little bit of. Make sure you practice rolling your R's A little bit of barak.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's funny and so pretty much the summary of it is kneeling down, and everybody thinks of kneeling down as something different, but in relation to praise praise, it's essentially making yourself small. Um, there's a question that on a video that I watched on this topic and it and it was saying um, how do you exalt somebody that's already exalted? So god is already exalted above everything else. He is the maximum exalted person in the world.
Speaker 1:How do you exalt somebody that's already exalted and the answer that he came up with is that the only way to exalt somebody that's already at the highest peak of existence is you have to make yourself smaller, to change your perspective, and that is to make, to kneel down and to physically make him higher, and because that is the only way we can exalt him higher. Interesting, yeah, it's kind of a cool thing because, like everybody thinks that, like, kneeling down is something, something else, maybe it's repentance, which it is closely tied to that as well.
Speaker 2:It does mean repentance as well, confessing of sins to the lord god also well, I think part of repentance is seeing yourself yeah, all of it, the good and the bad and realizing that and then realizing who he is who he is and what he's done for you.
Speaker 1:Yeah. You know, but I just thought that was so cool, just thinking like I can't exalt God more than like anybody else can. I can't exalt him more or I can't make him more exalted. He's the maximum exalted there is. It's like the only way I can possibly see him as more exalted is if I lower myself.
Speaker 2:And so I thought that was really cool.
Speaker 1:It just like like I would really actually encourage you, like when you pray tonight, just like kind of get in the mindset of just like I want to worship the King of Kings, Lord of Lords, and I want to exalt you with my worship right now and your praise, and just get on your knees and like actually just give him your praise and exalt him. Yeah, you know anyway. So good, Go ahead, Read it.
Speaker 2:Well, I was reading In here. It also says I don't know if you were going to talk about this some of the definition.
Speaker 1:Go for it.
Speaker 2:So you already talked about it. But it also says part of that is to remember joyfully that he is the source of all our blessings. So it's like an acknowledgement of who he is and what he's done and acknowledging that you know, just in a joyful way too, that he is the source. And so the scripture verses I look these up that she kind of uses in her book to talk about it were Judges 5, and I looked at 4 as well, but specifically Judges 5, 2, and then Psalms 72, 12 through 15.
Speaker 2:So in Judges, so basically just kind of setting the scene some of you may have heard it's in the book of the Judges when it was before they had a king, they had judges that kind of ruled over things, and Deborah was a female judge and there were no men that were standing up to fight Cicero and to fight Javen, and so she was like I'll do it, I'll go, like she was asked, and she said I'll go. And so after they just pretty easily defeated I'm very much, you know paraphrasing giving yeah, paraphrasing, that's giving the shortened version After they defeated.
Speaker 2:this is when Psalm or, sorry, judges 5, 2 comes into place. So in Judges 4, it talks about what happened. And so then and this is versus verse one, this is the amplified then Deborah and Barak. Interesting, right, barak, the son of Abinoam, saying on that day, saying for the leaders who took the lead in Israel, for the people who volunteered for battle bless the Lord. So that bless the Lord, is that word Barak, interesting? That Barak is the one who did it. So I guess I wonder, I mean we have to research it.
Speaker 2:We haven't extensively researched it, but maybe that's why it was named Barak because he was the first one and I believe a lot of.
Speaker 1:I mean not.
Speaker 2:I believe I know a lot of names, as well as Hebrew names, and have very deep meanings, and so the fact that his name probably means to know goddess's provider. Yes, yes, well, and also I mean just speaking of that yeah, I've always thought names are important.
Speaker 1:Sidebar that's why.
Speaker 2:I named you and all your brothers what I named them, because of their meanings and all that kind of stuff, because I feel like— Caleb means dog, by the way, it's not to say if you have a name that's not—it's fine. God has purpose in that, but I think it does—.
Speaker 1:You didn't hear what I said.
Speaker 2:No, I didn't.
Speaker 1:What did you? I said Caleb's name means dog. Oh, but it's a good like warrior.
Speaker 2:yeah, it just means tough, so, funny, persevering. But yeah, I mean God all the time changed names.
Speaker 1:Totally.
Speaker 2:Anyway, but in Psalm 72, 12 through 15, it also talks about this word of Barak and it says For he will rescue the needy when he cries for help, the afflicted and abused also, and him who has no helper. And then this is where I think that word comes in Barak, let them bless and praise Him all day long. So they're praising god like because, oh, my goodness, look what god has done, this great god has done this for us.
Speaker 2:so it's like this remembering of what god has done truly kneeling before him I think it yeah, blessing him back for all he's done to bless you yeah, I love what up open family.
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Speaker 1:Us as humans have a very limited amount of things we can give to God as to bless him. You know what I'm saying, and praise and worship are one of the things that we actually get that we can bless Him with. And another thing I think we can do is give Him our pride and our self-image, and when we kneel down, what we're doing is we're making ourselves small and humble, humbling ourselves before the Lord and making Him truly more important than us, bigger than us, and acknowledging Him as superior more important than us, bigger than us and acknowledging him as superior.
Speaker 2:In essence, we're not making him, we're just acknowledging and honoring and due reverence. Yes exactly.
Speaker 1:Thank you for that. Yeah, yeah, 100%.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's exactly right, it's. You know, all these versions of praises like acknowledging it's not necessarily. We can't make God anything more than he is, because he's already the maximum of existence.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And we it not necessarily. We can't make god anything more than he is, because he's already the maximum of existence. Yeah, and we it's just something that we can just glorify him for right, and so, yeah, that's kind of like, I think that's yeah, it was, a barack is to be on your knees and I think so. Yeah, like I said, I would just really encourage you guys tonight, as you guys are kind of doing a prayer time, um, to just test it out. Yeah, I rock praise I challenge you.
Speaker 2:You know like I'm as we're thinking about this. You know, so many times when I'm in worship I'm like oh, should I kneel, should I not?
Speaker 2:do you know, sometimes you're so compelled you can't stop yourself. But there's nothing wrong with just deciding. I am going to kneel right now. It doesn't have to be this overwhelming spiritual feeling that overcomes you, but just maybe practice this in your closet, in your prayer closet, in your praise closet alone, or if you are in public leading or attending whatever, just kneel. Take a second to kneel in in this whole frame of mind of Barack that you have been so blessed and joyfully you are on your knees acknowledging this great God who's blessed you and you're blessing him back. And it doesn't have to be a feeling, it can just be a decision I'm going to give this a sacrifice of praise to the Lord.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's kind of a topic for another day, but I also believe that, um, if you're not willing to Barack praise and get on your knees for the Lord, I believe you have a pride issue. That's probably a topic for another day, but it's just there needs to be something else to be addressed there, because if you're not willing to what is biblically a way to praise the Lord, it's not. Maybe there's something else going on and I probably shouldn't say that there's something wrong with you. There's not, but you know there's something for you to work through and maybe look at.
Speaker 2:Some people can do it like we talked about at the beginning, at the top of the episode, just because it's traditional. I have family that and I was initially sprinkled into the Catholic church. I received salvation at four years old. My parents got saved and then at nine, I made the decision for myself. However, we still went to many services and stuff like that and they kneel constantly. And actually I was back visiting a church in Georgia, a historical church in Georgia, and Dan, my husband, had never been to a Catholic service, and so I'm like, oh, this would be kind of cool for you to just experience, and so we went. He's like man, they kneel so much. But there is when you do understand why. Like I know, some of that is tainted with a lot of different things, so I want to acknowledge that some of that is ritualistic some of it's tied to things other than the lord, and there are parts of that when the foundations.
Speaker 2:When it was originally founded, that was meant to do just what we're talking about, which is to, which involves which involves just a reminder of who you are, who God is, and honoring him and blessing him.
Speaker 1:And so, yeah, it actually blessed me, because I'm like wow, you know just as like a closing, like last topic, I just want to like say that this we don't, we're not giving these seven ways to praise or seven words for praise as like a way to be more religious and worship.
Speaker 2:Right, all, and there are a lot more. By the way, there's not just seven. These are seven main ways.
Speaker 1:I think, when you boil them down, they're the ones used most these are the ones that have come up and again and again in the Bible, and the reason we we want you didn't know these is because then that gives you, like we said at the beginning, more power, but we don't want you to become more religious with it, because a lot of people can get legalistic. Oh, should I be Barak-ing right now, or should I be Zammari-ing right now, or should I be doing other forms of praise? And it's like, no, just be led of the Holy Spirit ultimately and just give your sacrifice to the Lord.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and if you acknowledge that you're doing something oh, I know what I'm doing, I know why where this is being activated, and then you can do it to the fullest extent that God wanted it to be. Yeah, I'm still looking forward. It's going to be awesome.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm still looking forward to these because actually, honestly, I've heard the Carmen song, like I talked about, and I've heard the rattled off before, but to dive a little bit deeper, super exciting because I do really understand the impact of knowing things 100%.
Speaker 1:That's it. Catch you guys later, take care.
