Open Waters Podcast
This podcast is all about what God is doing in Utah through the church, and through the ministry of Open Waters Worship. If you don't know who we are, we are a worship ministry in the heart of Salt Lake City, Utah who's reason for being is JESUS. We want all people to have GROWTH, not only in relationship with our King, but with the people around us as well. We also want people to cultivate a deep and pure INTIMACY with God, and from that intimacy a FREEDOM to be who we are called to be; and to top it off we want the body of Christ to radiate UNITY. The body as a whole can accomplish so much more than one person alone. So we want to ask you, are you ready to join us in an effort to unify the body, and grow in relationship? Are you ready for what true intimacy with the King looks like? If so, come give us a listen! We'd love to hear your feedback as well. Tell us your thoughts and if you have a question feel free to reach out to us! We love you and pray for an overflowing in all avenues of your life <3
Open Waters Podcast
40: Escaping Boredom In Church Part 2 ~ 2 Special Guests
Ever wondered why that electric spark of joy and connection seems elusive during worship? Let's unpack the secret to transforming your church experience from a passive attendance to an active, fulfilling act of personal devotion. With heartfelt stories and earnest discussions, we invite you on a journey to redefine what it means to truly serve the Lord. We tackle the tough questions about the source of boredom in church, challenge the pursuit of anointing versus seeking Christ, and reveal how the sacred role of a priest transcends beyond the pulpit and into our daily lives. Embrace the insight that comes from personal revelation as we share anecdotes of persistence in prayer and the intimate power of a secret place with God.
As we serve the Lord, we often forget that our worship isn't just a Sunday routine but a testament to our life's work. This episode brings to light the stark contrast between how we approach our secular jobs and our service to God. Through vulnerable testimonies, we illustrate the beauty and honor in worshiping through our struggles—an act that carries a special weight in this life, unlike any we'll know in eternity. Discover the profound impact of picturing oneself in the divine throne room and how prophetic music can elevate personal worship. With the assurance that God 'keeps receipts' of our faithful service, we're encouraged to persevere in love and duty to the One who remembers every effort we make in His name. Join us as we explore these transformative concepts, and don't miss out on our healing rooms at the Utah House of Prayer, where miracles unfold every Wednesday night.
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So, passenger me said something one time and he goes what do you come to church for? Oh, that's a good question. You come to church to worship. No, then you come for the wrong reasons. You come to church to bring your worship, yeah, and add your supply. So I mean and that's what we're there to do is to worship together and spirit and truth, yeah, not just for all.
Speaker 2:New creation has good worship, let's go there and then, after the message, will, after this worship, will leave. I mean, so it's, this is where people's well, people's heart is, mm-hmm. Yeah, I got a comment and they'll get there. Yeah, that's what we're there for, right, what's the purpose of our church is to see people free and in love with Jesus. Yeah, we can know him, so he won't be to know him, so he may be known. Yeah, and that's what we're there to do. So I Like it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's. There's some people that I've heard that show up late because worship is too long, and it's, I think, again because they're bored and then for me it's like I don't know. For me I can't connect with that, like I can't get bored and worship like during the sermon.
Speaker 1:I can kind of get you know, I've grown up in church and so it's like it's like I can get, like I can fall asleep Surgeon if I want to but it's like there's like there's so much stuff happening right now when if I just don't want to miss anyway, but it's just like people are getting bored and it's like at some point, something has. Someone has to ask is it you? Is it like is it an issue with the, what we're doing as a leadership or as the church, or is it the person that's getting bored?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but we have to watch too and I heard Stephanie, great dress, crescent girl.
Speaker 1:I said a great singer, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she said you got to be careful that you don't write in on the motions. Yep, because if you write in on the motions you'll miss the oil. Oh, so we have to be, and I've guilty of, I've done it myself. Well, I've got way too emotional and then I saw wanting the emotions. So I've learned to make sure that my feelings yeah our food of Lord, and not just for Fleshy stuff.
Speaker 1:This isn't just me feeling good to feel good. It's not doing this. Good Sounds good, or yeah because, it. Oh, this is very catch. I'm gonna sing this.
Speaker 3:Yes, and here's the thing too is that is that, are we after the anointing or we after Christ?
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 3:We could go after the annoying and miss Christ. Oh, yeah, yeah. And so there's where I doubt who starts coming in? It creeps in in a way that we want our song To be next. Yeah, so you know the ministry to God has been lost. Yep, in the church that we don't know how to minister to the Lord. But we come to minister to other people. You can do that, but the Levi carries the presence and ministers to the Lord, and then the Lord ministers to the people.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:That's a priest. Priest has the privilege to to announce God's presence, to be in His presence and to partake of His presence. Yeah, you see, and so the power comes with that. We come to minister to the Lord and go after Christ, because Christ has all the anointing that we need. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not anointed because I'm after the anointing. No, it comes upon me when I'm after Him. Yeah, and he comes on me, and then we just do whatever we gotta do, yeah.
Speaker 1:Or he does it. Yeah, it's just being so in love with God that you get to sit.
Speaker 3:And so it really matters.
Speaker 1:When it becomes your sole desire to chase after Jesus, everything else becomes so insignificant that it's just like God will give you what's required to get Him, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3:In the middle of rehearsal, right before we started, my wife texted me and she said you remember, babe, you're a priest, you serve the Lord, you're not volunteering. Yeah, you're not a volunteer. This isn't a volunteer action. You're a servant of the Lord, so you serve the Lord.
Speaker 2:You're a San Juan.
Speaker 3:Serve the Lord.
Speaker 2:God and where does this start?
Speaker 1:This starts, at least in my perfect. In my opinion, it starts in the secret place where we get to minister to the Lord and be cached. Yeah, Sorry.
Speaker 2:No, I agree with you and I mean that's where you get your, you're quiet time with the Lord and you get your best revelations from the Lord, and when it's just you and Him, with no distractions, I mean everything starts in the secret place and at one season in my life I felt like we need to. At U-Hop I was praying for you know we need to bring back the secret place and so I grant you, yeah, I was sharing with Pastor Craig yesterday.
Speaker 3:I was sharing one of those. I think I said this to you the other day, but I was in a time of prayer and I was in my first hour. I was like praying like yeah, lord. I hear nothing. I was like man, lord, what's going on? Oh yeah, we went into my second hour of praying and I'm like Lord, come on.
Speaker 1:You know I want a word, I need a word and I still didn't hear anything.
Speaker 3:I was like, okay, I'm missing it, cause I don't hear nothing from the Lord. Lord, just like, keep all praying. He's like all right. So I started praying again, my third. I've been already in my third hour, I'm already praying. Finally, just dawning me, I was like man, Lord, I don't even know if I'm safe, hmm. And the Prince of the Lord started to hit me and I was all like, lord, I don't know if I'm safe, am I safe? And the Lord said now you're asking the right questions. Are you really a worshiper? Were you just break down before the Lord, not because you want some kind of revelation or some kind of knowledge, but just, lord, man, I just want to be saved. Yeah, me, I'm not thinking about nobody else.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm like well, I want to be saved.
Speaker 3:I want to be saved.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's a song that comes to mind, and it's actually one that I've been singing a lot right now. There's a very select small part in it where it's just it's my brand in Lake, but I like him a lot and there's very spontaneous portion where it says it's I need your love like I need water.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I need your love like I need breath yeah.
Speaker 1:Inside my lungs. Yeah, burning my heart just like a fire.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So come and take me over. And that right now is the one thing that I've been listening to on repeat, actually.
Speaker 2:And so when you're- talking about that.
Speaker 1:It's like no, like how much do we really need his love?
Speaker 2:How much do we?
Speaker 1:really need him. Yeah, it's like, and it's like not not when you're in front of people do you need him, and when you're on stage, then do you need him. No, I need him at my keyboard just as much as I need him on those drums in front of people. Amen and so it's revival truly starts in the secret place.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and for me personally, I believe revival is just a people in love with Jesus to the point where they're not ashamed to share it Yep, and a people, a church on a church, in revival. There's a lot of churches. There's a church. You went to fresh start churches recently and they they claim to be in revival and I, and I mean, it's not even just a claim, it's, it's accurate and it's because the people there love Jesus more than anybody else and they love others the way they love Jesus, as they were to love Jesus.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying. When God says when you love the love, the people you're loving, it's like I'm trying to I don't I'm paraphrasing because I'm I can't remember the verse but it's essentially, if you love the person as if they were Jesus.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so like when you treat these like you were to treat me, so like you know, one of the things that I learned from from the revival intensive that I went to was that every person, including the sound people, were all intercessors. They were not worshipers. He said these people in the worship team are not here because they play good instruments. I can call anyone here to start to pray. So she calls the drummer the drummer and comes up, grabs the mic and he buzzed on a prayer that was so fiery that I just stayed like what, that is.
Speaker 1:what a oh man dude I'm gonna have, Like what. That's the stuff I almost okay I don't mean to call you out, but that's the stuff that actually like the prayer at Fresh Start, I almost see you doing it in creation and I don't like this is like where they're declaring the name of Jesus. And it's like there's no doubt in their voice, there's no doubt in what they're saying.
Speaker 1:It's just like, like Jesus, the king of kings, lord of the lords, he's the alpha and omega and he just like, goes in his tongues and then comes back to it.
Speaker 3:The media director. She called the media director up to the pulpit and he goes here. He grabs the mic in the name of the rabah saka shah da da. I was all like whoa and she started to share his testimony how he came to church and he was bored, he didn't want to be there because he was only there, because his mom told him to be there. And then, when I was all like, this is the media director guy was leading in prayer. Well, in intercessory prayer.
Speaker 1:This is before anything started.
Speaker 3:This is not the seven o'clock, this is the six thirty.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and this happens. It starts and you gain a hunger for this in your house, in the secret place.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man.
Speaker 1:So, man, that covered a lot of what I think we were gonna talk about, but I also just wanna give people some practicals. Like, what are some ways that you guys grow in, I guess, in ministering to the Lord at home? Like, how are some of the ways that we can activate that in people?
Speaker 3:Well, like, for me, I get the Bible, of course, of course, yeah.
Speaker 1:This is Bible. This is kinda step one here.
Speaker 3:This is 101. Ministering to the Lord at home.
Speaker 3:Get your Bible and I don't got no music on but I have my trumpet and I'm reading the word, and then I just I read it out loud, audible, and then I'll sing it, and then I'll play it, and then I'll take the same word again. Let's say Psalms 23,. The Lord is my shepherd, the Lord is my shepherd. That's it. The Lord is my shepherd, the Lord is my shepherd. And then I get my home pa pa, pa de, de, de, de de. And then I go back. I have everything I need, lord. I have everything I need, lord. I have everything I need, yeah. And then pa pa de, de, de de.
Speaker 3:And it's just over and over and I could stay with that like a good 10 minutes, 15 minutes, Asking him for his sound through the word and being that, and before one time I was doing that, I was in my room actually and I thought I was home by myself and my wife was in. And she just goes, whoa, whoa, sorry. Like she just stopped at the door. She said I had to go back. I feel like we feel the presence of God in me here.
Speaker 1:Thank you, Jesus. Let us just receive that. I'm not a rude man.
Speaker 3:But she just kind of like whoa, and I was all like, okay, you know, and she just like I'm sorry babe, you know, I'm sorry babe, close the door. But because the presence was there, I invoked the presence, I was after the presence, I was like going after.
Speaker 2:Yeah, amen.
Speaker 3:What about you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I just say you know, the way I minister to the Lord at my house is, you know you've got to be intentional about cultivating that discipline. What I mean by that is, you know, I get up an hour. I now reply. I even have to go to work and I get in a loan in a secret place with God every morning and I think it's important to start your day off with that. And so I mean that's how I would say that I minister to the Lord is that I give him my full attention every morning before anybody else even gets to me. He's number one.
Speaker 1:I might take that on as like a challenge to myself, because I need to become more disciplined, and that's something that I think I could grow from.
Speaker 2:Well, that's the thing too is so, when you know, I get up before my wife, so it's just me and it's quiet, and I'm sitting there and I'm drinking my coffee, and it's morning time, so it's quiet outside, it's quiet in the house, it's quiet at work, and I sit there, and I've talked to you about this before, or you know, I pray with my words, yes, but most of my praying is with my thoughts and then I would.
Speaker 2:I think. Then I say to the Lord and 99% of the time he answers with some kind of encouragement or some kind of correction, and it's usually about my wife but anyways, that I'm doing where I could be better as a husband or even better as what I'm doing. But it's never a rebuked where I feel guilt or shame. It's a tender moment for the Father that loves me and that only happens if you don't compromise the time that you've set aside for him.
Speaker 3:Okay, you said something right there. That's number two. Set a time when you want to meet with the Lord. Make it intentional.
Speaker 2:Don't compromise it. Don't compromise, no matter what. This is the time that is for me and the Lord. Everything else can happen after.
Speaker 1:Can I almost make it. This might be controversial, but make it more important than getting to your job on time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can get to your job on time. That's what I'm saying. It's just make it as important as getting to your job, because it is that important, right.
Speaker 3:Well, here's the thing is. I think You'll be late to your job. What's going to happen?
Speaker 2:Yeah, You're going to fire you. I mean, here's the thing that I wanted to not that you brought it up a little bit and we're not we're in here. But here's the thing is that what I see in the body is people don't treat serving. I don't know how to say this without being a okay.
Speaker 1:No, we're just judgment.
Speaker 2:What I've seen is a lot of people don't take serving the Lord as serious as their natural job. We're saying something and what I mean by that is you don't miss work, you're not late. Yeah, you don't take long lunch breaks and you do it to your fullest to get your paycheck, so why, when it comes to serving the Lord and your local body, you're not doing it.
Speaker 3:The worship is too long. I'm sorry, I'm falling asleep.
Speaker 2:Rather, you're working for whatever work you're doing, you're supposed to do, unto the Lord, as if nobody's looking with service to him.
Speaker 1:But when it comes to actually serving the Lord, sorry.
Speaker 3:I'll do it next week, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I'll miss. Today I feel like I feel like. I can't cover that. I can't agree, because I got to get there half hour early.
Speaker 3:You know, yesterday, when we were at the retreat Nobody knew this. It's true.
Speaker 2:But I'm going to be transparent.
Speaker 3:Yesterday, when I was at the retreat, my hands, my body was, I was in pain. Oh no, I was in pain, oh, from here. From that oh yeah, okay, not my arthritis. I'm really healed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I was in pain, yeah, and when I got in the truck I mean home I was crying, dude, that's how much pain I was. Oh man, I'm so sorry, but what am I saying? What I'm saying is that in my pain I'm still gonna serve the Lord. Absolutely this morning, when I got to church, my hands, my wrist was hurting me. I could barely pick up my horn. But I was like no Lord. This is for you.
Speaker 2:You know, I could hear myself in the ears, it didn't matter. And it breaks my heart. It breaks my heart that you're gonna have like that. So we have this passion for the Lord, and it's not like I'm right, you're wrong, or I'm a better person than you, or it's nothing like that.
Speaker 1:No, it's not a comparison.
Speaker 2:What I'm saying is is, like you know, this month we have five weeks right. Well, I'm on a practice and they're like, oh well, this week and this week ain't covered. I don't know what I'm gonna do and I'm like there's a need, I'm gonna meet it and my wife's like, well, you gotta watch LQS's. I'm like I know I receive what you're saying, but there's a need, I'm gonna meet it, because that just isn't just somewhere where I go sit on Sunday. That's my family and we're gonna fit, we're gonna, you know, move on, but anyways, yeah. So thank you, no 100%.
Speaker 1:And for you, manuel, like there's a you've heard of. He was a pastor at Bethel. It was a crap. What's his name? Brian Johnson. Anyway, he was used to be the senior pastor and he said this one thing after his wife died and he said this is the only time on this side of the time you will only be able to worship through your pain on this side of eternity. And so it's like people that like can't, can't just push through.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you gotta push through.
Speaker 1:It's like I get that oh, I'm going to church a little tired. I gotta wake up 30 minutes earlier. Okay In heaven, are you thinking you're gonna be waking up?
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, you're gonna be up worshiping God and the Lord honors that. He sees it. We don't honor his favor, but he sees that and he loves that. He loves that dedication, he loves that right. Like Lily said, God keeps receipts.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Exactly.
Speaker 1:That was a good one man. That's a servant right there man, god keeps receipts yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, that was, that was so good when he said that I missed it. I was doing something with the sound.
Speaker 1:Oh no, I ran in the back and I had to check the livestream.
Speaker 2:Something was happening where I missed it, dang.
Speaker 3:I tell you what God was doing. Something man right there, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, I'll say it in mine. So, from me, when I'm at home and I'm trying to minister to the Lord, I get to my keyboard. I am very like musically. I almost feel like I'm perfect, like I prophesied through my playing, yes, and so when I play, I close my eyes and I just imagine myself at the feet of Jesus in the throne room.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so I'm like, I'm so musically because, and it's like I don't want to look up, because if you look up, obviously you can't see the face of God, the angels can't look at God. I mean we can't look at God or we'll die. And so I don't, I don't look up, I look down and I keep my eyes closed because I just want to. It's like okay, lord, just play something. He's like just play something. And if it's off, he'll tell me. It's like okay, and it's just like sometimes he'll just say something so like, so like what you're thinking right now, like you know something could be going on in life, very briefly, and you're like, cause that's what you're going through, and like, yeah, lord, I'm feeling really lonely today.
Speaker 1:But, Lord, I know you're always with me, you never forsake me. You're with me all the time and he's just like this is the best place you could be and it's it's not like out of a place of performance, and that's why.
Speaker 1:I say at his feet and, like you know, not looking at his face, and it's, and it's sometimes he'll ask me to just hold a hold one cord and just hold the, the synth on, and I'll be like, okay, Lord, I mean it's hard for me cause I'm like I want to play something for you. And it's like no you don't need to play anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's just like he's like, and then I kind of like a question. It's like, who you? Who are you playing for? That's a question that comes up all the time in my, when I'm worshiping him in my own time, is who are you playing for? And I'll stop myself. I'm like I'm very much in performance right now. I need to stop, and I almost get discussed, not like cause I'm not trying to be judge, I'm very judgmental towards myself when I get, I mean, you know, very harsh on myself and I'll be like okay, god, just I, we need to stop being in performance. Like to the point where it's like almost disgusting to be in performance because it's like.
Speaker 1:I don't want to perform for you, lord, I want to worship you, yeah, and so that's how I minister. So we've got to get into your word, sing the word yeah, we have sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:Let's see something right here. Sure, are we coming on Sunday to sing or to worship? That's a question. Are we coming to sing or to worship him? When we come to worship him, there's a different dynamics. If we come to sing, it's for you, yeah, it's for them. But when we come to worship him, it you don't care if five people shut up or 500 or 5000.
Speaker 1:That's why I enjoy open waters. It's not about the people that show up.
Speaker 3:It's about him and it's like we're going to worship the Lord. I don't come to sing, I don't come to play much of it, I come to Worship, amen.
Speaker 1:I'm scheduled for drums, but that doesn't mean I have to hit any. Oh, say that again. I know Leicester gets sad.
Speaker 2:No, he's just like, it's just. Oh, not today. I was just like you know God, most of the time.
Speaker 1:We do have a schedule and you know God likes. I would say God rolls with the punches for us, with our schedules and our songs that we choose. He very much rolls with it. He wants us to. He gives us grace for it. I'm not going to say it's because that's what he asked for us, but I think he gives us grace to choose songs and so most of the time it ends up being that's so good? Yeah, it's good yeah, so you said reading the Word, reading the Word and singing to the Lord.
Speaker 1:Singing to the Lord and then you said you were making time pretty much intentional, time with the Lord, intentional discipline time with the Lord.
Speaker 2:Disciplined time.
Speaker 3:Instead of time, like if it's in the morning, afternoon or evening Sometime.
Speaker 2:Well, there's no distractions. Yeah, Well, there's nothing. Put your phone away, holy. I mean. Yeah, just so you, there's nothing, because in a natural way, we're easily distracted. Yeah, we are so.
Speaker 1:I will say, for me, one of the biggest things is I'm right now researching dopamine and stuff like that oh the chemical in your brain and how your phone and everything has dopamine music, tv, stuff like that.
Speaker 1:Right, I want to learn more about it so I can figure out how to Almost use the dopamine to be more disciplined. Right, as I'm moving into being more disciplined, and it's like we remove the dopamine, like at least the things that could easily distract you from, yeah, being in the presence Because you can, I mean, and it should. Getting into the presence of the Lord should not be a task like a taxing task. Yeah, it should be a rewarding task that we get to do.
Speaker 3:And it's a hard posture, amen. So anyway, that's so good.
Speaker 1:So we get to your word, sing your word. We have intentional, disciplined time with the Lord scheduled, like you're making it to your job, important, yeah, and then just sit down with the Lord and intimacy, get intimate with the Lord. That's what it was for me. I mean Amen. My secret time is just the most intimate time I can get with the Lord. So that's all I've got for you guys. So you guys have anything to add, as we kind of just close?
Speaker 3:No, you know what and whoever's listening. Really, I just want to say, you know, god bless you. Yeah, god bless you for being here with us. Yeah, man, just as it was an honor to be here with you.
Speaker 1:God bless you. Thank you, oh, thank you guys. Just a reminder for everybody that once you come to the workshop man, come on down.
Speaker 3:We'd like to love to have you. It's going to be powerful. Intipacy needs to be intentional, yep. So you know, be intentional with your time and so praise God, it's going to be good.
Speaker 2:I'd like to give a plug too for Wednesday nights.
Speaker 1:Wednesday nights.
Speaker 2:So we have a Utah house of prayer and at 6 30, we have healing rooms. Yeah, it's all in the same night, so you come soaking as presents and if you need something you want prayed for healing, we can fill it out and you can get prayed for. So, wednesday nights, a new creation Healing.
Speaker 1:Yep, so we'll see you guys later. Hope you can make it to the worshiping musician workshop and you hop this coming a week on Wednesday and in the coming weeks April 6th.
Speaker 3:April 6th, and then we'll see you guys in the next one All right.
Speaker 1:10 am All righty. We'll catch you guys in the next episode. Take care, cool Thanks.
Speaker 2:All right.
