Open Waters Podcast
This podcast is all about what God is doing in Utah through the church, and through the ministry of Open Waters Worship. If you don't know who we are, we are a worship ministry in the heart of Salt Lake City, Utah who's reason for being is JESUS. We want all people to have GROWTH, not only in relationship with our King, but with the people around us as well. We also want people to cultivate a deep and pure INTIMACY with God, and from that intimacy a FREEDOM to be who we are called to be; and to top it off we want the body of Christ to radiate UNITY. The body as a whole can accomplish so much more than one person alone. So we want to ask you, are you ready to join us in an effort to unify the body, and grow in relationship? Are you ready for what true intimacy with the King looks like? If so, come give us a listen! We'd love to hear your feedback as well. Tell us your thoughts and if you have a question feel free to reach out to us! We love you and pray for an overflowing in all avenues of your life <3
Open Waters Podcast
39: Escaping Boredom In Church Part 1 ~ 2 Special Guests
Struggling with the monotony of 'going through the motions' in your spiritual life? Our latest episode is a heartfelt exploration of worship and deliverance, where we uncover the vitality of authentic spiritual practice. With the profound wisdom of Manuel from the Worshiping Musician School and the insightful experiences of our very own Lester Arara, we journey into the heart of true worship. Drawing from personal battles with laziness and the quest for divine dreams, I peel back the layers on the necessity of discipline and trust in God’s provision. Together, we scrutinize the authenticity of our worship, challenging ourselves to not only face but shatter the barriers that prevent us from genuine engagement with the divine.
This week's conversation is steeped in the transformative power of recognizing our divine identity and potential, as Lester shares his path to deliverance ministry. Manuel also gifts us with a deeper understanding of the concept of spiritual authority, viewing it through the lens of Elijah's narrative. We contemplate the very essence of worship, grappling with the pitfalls of a 'religious spirit' or the doldrums of boredom that can stifle our spiritual connection. Join us for a thought-provoking session that's set to reignite your personal revival and foster an intimate, ministering worship experience that transcends the need for human approval and resonates with a higher calling.
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Yeah, no, we're not there just to sing another song with whether to partner with God and what he has for us. That's why we need to be Attentive to what he sang and not with our agenda.
Speaker 2:Well, here's the thing is that, are we singing his song or our song?
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, well, guys, welcome to the 39th episode of the open waters of podcasts. We've been doing one every other week for the last, last year of 2023, and now we are going every week in 2024 and it's gonna awesome, so 39 39 episodes.
Speaker 3:Most people make it to around 20, and then I believe the statistics, like less than 10% of podcasts make it past 100. It's pretty crazy how many just it's just because they don't have the endurance to keep running with it, and so yeah and you know, thank God, that it's not me having to come up with titles and stuff like that.
Speaker 3:It's just, you know, god gives it to us and it's like there's no endless revelation when it comes to God. Ah, hey, man, someone said that. I believe it's someone I heard said that it's pretty much like the angels every time they go around God they come up with a new revelation of who God is. It's like oh yeah, so I there's, never gonna be an end, like an end of topics to talk on when it comes to worship in God.
Speaker 1:So I like that. Yeah, revelation of who God is. Yeah, yeah, I've gone around already dude, I don't know Billions.
Speaker 3:they've been in here since eternity with God and we have a small concept of time, which is kind of wild actually man. I don't know, eternity is a whole, nother topic. But anyway, hope you guys are doing well listening. I'm here with a couple special guests. I've been wanting to do this one for a few weeks now and this is I've got Manuel. He is a part of the worshiping musician School and he also does a worshiping summit that will be in a couple weeks here. Yeah, we're gonna have a workshop.
Speaker 2:April 6, yep, april 6. Girl, I'm excited about that. It's gonna be good. Yeah the keys for intimacy and authority.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Josiah and Wayne will be doing some worship. It'd be awesome. It's gonna be good. Let's we'll be doing our sound.
Speaker 1:We're doing a sound. Yeah, sir, sound.
Speaker 2:Hallelujah, yeah, and we've got Lester.
Speaker 3:What's your last name? Arara, arara. And so we got Lester Arara here and he is the gifted sound technician of our church a new creation church and he's so talented. His ear has become like so much more tunes since he started. It's actually wild to see that the growth in him. It's. It's been awesome to get to know him and serve alongside him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, awesome to do sound for you guys, and I mean it's, we're getting better and better and praise God. Yeah, yeah, yeah oh man.
Speaker 3:so I have it like we usually do, like a more about us stuff and Pretty much it's like where we have that's like a question and it's like To get to know us better, you know the audience and stuff like that. So I guess the the more about his question could be. I Think we'll just go with that question that we had is what I got to see speaking to you right now. What's he putting on your heart? That's a great question, you.
Speaker 1:Well, I'll still I mean.
Speaker 3:I'll still yeah, so.
Speaker 1:I feel like what God's put on my heart and he's continually put on my heart and when I get him focused off of it, he reminds me what's on my heart from him and what that is is deliverance.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, and so what I mean by that is, you know, there's all forms of deliverance there's sozols, there's prayers heal the heart, there's heart wounds, and then there's also deliverance. And you know, come out in the name of Jesus, demons, yeah, and so I feel like the call of Lord has put on my life is. I think he's, I don't think I know that he's called me to be a demon slayer. And so this season I'm just yesterday and this morning, you know, I asked the Lord why have I hesitated to go into this? And you know, the bottom line is I just have to do it. I have to do it. I feel called to it. So that's what the Lord's put on my heart. Pretty cool stuff.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's good. I mean I, ever since I've known you, I talked to my mom. She's not here today, but I talked to my mom and I went. When we talk about you, I'm like man Lester is like a person that is literally called to like call people up and it's like not just like call demons out, but call people up to who they're supposed to be, and it's awesome, it's good, it's definitely on you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that comes along with deliverance too. No, you get the person get the house clean and then they're going to realize they're divine, identity is and who they are. You know, and it's not just so much, there's more to it, that God put it on my heart, but it's not just. You know, get clean in the house and cast them out. I want to plug them in with the house Discipleship.
Speaker 2:Discipleship and get by the baptized, and then you know nothing.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Thank you.
Speaker 1:We're good.
Speaker 2:Thank you, thank you, yeah, thank you.
Speaker 3:You're welcome, thank you.
Speaker 2:Thank you as well.
Speaker 3:So if you didn't hear that, we are at a restaurant right now, so we're recording from a restaurant, so don't worry, it's nice Texas.
Speaker 1:Roadhouse at More Leaven and.
Speaker 3:Texas.
Speaker 1:Shout out to Texas Roadhouse.
Speaker 3:It was great food, thank you, josiah, it was good food Absolutely, and so that's awesome. Oh yeah, I guess I can go next. Pretty much God. What God's been talking about to me about at least is revealing the importance of discipline and actually getting into a not just like a routine in like your schedule and stuff like that. That's important, but discipline and also just doing. You know, when God tells you to do something, just do it. There's a current song I'm writing and it's kind of like it's funky. I sent.
Speaker 3:I let Lester and Manuel listen to a little bit of it, and it's kind of interesting and it's just like you know, lord, you sat me down and I started writing and this is what you came up with, so I'm going to do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And so I'm going to write the music. I usually write the music first and then the words will come later, because I can. God gives me words as I'm like, as I'm anyway, that's beside the point, but discipline getting disciplined as like a person to be successful in my personal life, but also my spiritual life.
Speaker 1:So that's pretty much what I'm working on right now.
Speaker 3:It's very much rough, though, because I'm very lazy by nature and I'm just going to say it. As for what it is, I would, I would much, rather, much rather like go and chill at home and like take it a nap or sleep in early I mean sleep in late and just like then to actually get up guess I've done and like go and pursue things that are gonna call me, like do a, gonna bring me up to what I'm supposed to do, Cause there's, I believe I have God ordained like dreams and aspirations for my life, not just because I wanna do them, but because I think God's given me a grace on what I'm doing. Like I think God's given me a grace on finances and it's just because I have a faith that you know, whenever something financial shows up, I honestly don't ever stress it's just because I know God's gonna, God's got me, and I mean, and so there's a bunch of stuff in that I could go into, but discipline is a big thing for me right now.
Speaker 2:A friend of mine used to say God's will, God's bill, yeah Amen.
Speaker 3:If it's God's desire, he's gonna fund it.
Speaker 1:So yeah, he's gonna fund it all the way my wife actually told God that one morning your will your bill, and then she needed some supplies for her new job teaching at the Christian Academy. That night the Lord answered her and she someone blessed her with the money to get where she needed.
Speaker 3:Let's go. That's awesome, that looks good, that's awesome.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's quick. I was like ready to go to Hawaii and watch.
Speaker 3:All right, lord, we're just here, we're able to go to Hawaii. We're going to Hawaii, Lord. Oh man, what about you, manuel?
Speaker 2:Well, you know, like I was sharing with you guys earlier, before we started the podcast, was I believe that what the Lord's been showing me is authority, and I believe that we're getting ready to be mantle with authority, and with authority comes power and assignment. So we have to understand the mantle and the authority, how, when you have authority, you have a mantle. Right, they're both almost the same words, so to speak, because Elijah gave him the second portion, but it came with an authority and it came with power and it came with assignment. He had an assignment to do, you know. And, of course, jezebel we know the story. Yeah, jezebel is trying to take him out, trying to kill him, he's afraid.
Speaker 2:He's trying to kill him and he goes and he hides. You know, excuse me and so, but I believe that that is changing In worship. I believe that we're about to get an authority that's going to be none that we've heard. Like I wrote on the newsletter, I believe worship is going to turn radical. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Let's do it. I'm ready, man, I won't. Yeah, I want it.
Speaker 2:And that's the thing is that we have to get on fire first. It starts privately. Revival starts privately, our worship starts privately, our desire starts privately. God speaks to you a word and you got to get it in you. And when you get that in you to do, it explodes and eventually it's like a cold. If I get a cold, we hang around, you're going to catch it. So our prayers are people catch wind of the fire of the Holy Ghost, fire of revival five. You know family is revival.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Families, or you can even say revival is family.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. It's about the family. They're all coming together and so understanding the word of God and the priority of worship is important for the house. Amen. Priority of worship is important to the house. Worship being in spirit and truth, that's right Right. Now is the hour. Now is the time. Different translation it says that the worshipers will worship in spirit and truth, amen, yeah.
Speaker 1:Now we're not there just to sing another song. We're there to partner with God and what he has for us. That's why we need to be attentive to what he's saying and not with our agenda.
Speaker 2:Well, here's the thing is that, are we singing his song or our song? Hey man, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yep, are we singing it because we like it or just because it's a cool tune? Yeah, oh watch it.
Speaker 2:There's a cookie, there's a good groove, yeah, man. But you know I was sharing last week about we need to get over the vernacular of. You know how was worship? You know how did he like it? Yeah.
Speaker 3:You know that's I can say. I'm victim to this, because every time someone comes up to me after a church, like whenever you play an instrument or if like for you, I tell you how good you're doing on sound. It's like so easy for people to come up and tell me, oh, you did so well on worship and that's like a reinforcement of, oh, worship was good, but it's it should. I need to retrain my mind to think of it. It's like what did you think about? Worship Jesus? Yeah.
Speaker 1:Amen, that's a good. That's a good, I mean, that's what it comes down to. That's what we're there for 100% For Jesus.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's all about him. Yeah, him alone, all for him, about him, to him, yeah, and the center is around him. You know, the ministry of God has has lost, has been lost in the church, that we don't know how to minister to God. No, we forgot. We're watching now. You know what I mean, because we, we only learned the minister to God because somebody else wrote a song for you. We'll write your own song to the Lord and I think he'll be very much pleased with whatever it is and whatever key and whatever instrument you have. Yeah, and please, because you're giving it up to him.
Speaker 3:We're helping somebody else minister to God when we sing their song, right. We're not. We're not ourselves ministering to God, we're helping somebody else. Is it is?
Speaker 2:it royalty to us or royalty to him?
Speaker 1:Yeah, what about? What about just spontaneous instrumental and vocals the whole time? What do you want us to do, holy Spirit? I, okay, that is.
Speaker 3:That is something I actually I haven't told Natalie, but I was like how, how interesting would it be to like only don't have any songs on the playlist for a Sunday and just give us some chords to play, like the starting chords yeah, and then you have someone on a talk back that can help direct, obviously because they can help. And then, just what do you want, lord? That's it, playing the four chords. Something gives?
Speaker 1:okay, we're going to go into this and you know it would be practice at first. You would have to, you know, maybe do the last two songs or last song or whatever. Yeah, and then see what happens. You know you got to practice, You're going to work. You're like the Bible says, you're going to be an athlete. You work out and you train up for that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you deal, yeah, and here's what happens with that sometimes. Is that what happens is sometimes in leadership, because I've been there, is that okay, I don't know where we're going. They're scared. Well, you know what? I'm glad you don't, yeah.
Speaker 3:It's because that means it's not your driving.
Speaker 2:Because I tell you what I'll be with you. If the devil knows where you're going, he'll stop. He'll stop you, you'll do everything to stop you. But if you have something that's not programmed, that's not planned, and you just say you know what, I'm just going to come to worship God and what key, well, let's wait till we get there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I like that, but if you have a plan, same will do everything to stop you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know what I'm telling you. I know what I'm telling you.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:I think that's accurate In Chronicles. Eli and I were reading it. We're chatting now. It's 1 Chronicles 15, verse 22. 1 Chronicles 15, verse 22. You want to look it up real quick? Let's look at 1 Chronicles 22. Let's look it up. Son Bible, 1 Chronicles, and I read it. Let me get this and check this out.
Speaker 3:If you have any questions, feel free to just send it. It's very much conversational. Yeah, there it is.
Speaker 1:I'm curious to see what it is, so check it out.
Speaker 2:And Karen, the chief of the Levi's, was for song Okay, and he instructed about the song because he was skilled, yeah, so we know that he was skilled. He was not just no, no, joe, okay, but check this out In this song, this word, the Hebrew word for that is Masa Say what up?
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Speaker 2:Mesa. Yeah, ma sa ma SSC I think it is guys. But but check this out the thing about that word is that it means it's a prophetic utterance, it's a, it's a. So it's not a song, song, song, it's a prophetic utterance that we have. So we, if we have problems leading worship Because it's somebody else's song, then you shouldn't be doing it. Yes, again, we shouldn't be doing it.
Speaker 2:Ah, we have a massage song, meaning it's a prophetic utterance. In other words, there's something bubbly. Mean you, yeah, to sing, to play from the Holy Spirit. It's coming up, it's just gotta go and you're like this these are some weird chords, but to somebody else that's not trained or doesn't know it's a massage song, it's not a song Leading song hmm, it's a massage Leading song, the pathetic song. It's a prophetic utterance.
Speaker 1:And I've seen God move and spontaneous worship, I mean every time. Yeah, you, just you could see we do spontaneous worship, a whole spirit movement. And so, like I get it, what you're saying about the massage, how?
Speaker 3:do you? I just want to ask a question how do you deal, like because I've heard I've had at least been in the room when dialogue like this has happened at church and it is, how do we? Like somebody says, oh, can we do less spontaneous, because I don't know what you're saying, we're singing, or how do? How do I like, how do we help it? Like it's not even the audience, how do you help the people in the congregation? Or like, is it just like growth point? For?
Speaker 3:Because for me, as a party person on the team or Person in the audience, when I'm on in the audience is, if there is something that is lacking or I feel like I'm left behind, where can I grow? I usually live towards myself to grow because, yeah, I look at things as opportunities most of time and it's just because you know if they're going somewhere, that's the leadership. I look to them as leadership when I'm not on the stage of their leadership, and so I'm looking to them and I'm like, oh, they're going somewhere. I've never been before and I'm going to try to grow myself to get up to their level so I can join up.
Speaker 2:So collections 316. What does it say? It talks about how we sing songs to one another, so from the leadership point, like from the alter, the pope or whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah there has to be instruction, so training, exactly so, from the kind, from the congregation, point. They're like what do I do? Yeah, this is spontaneous. Then, from the, from the, from the pope and whoever has the Michael, whoever, it's like we're right now seeing a spontaneous song, whatever. It is like like what Jeremy did today. He was all like no music. We're just gonna with your lips. Praise is audible. Yeah, please is not clapping, even though there's a power in the clap. Oh, yeah, we would. That's a whole nother, totally subject, but the power of praise is audible. Yeah, that means we say it. That makes we go. Thank you Lord, thank you Jesus, thank you for your presence. You're here with me right now. You're acknowledging, and then when, when less here's it, then this is all like Honolulu, yeah yeah, it's just the same.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I said yeah, absolutely, and I'm like, at least in our church, or you know, we've already let them to be in free, when we can worship, mm-hmm, that, I think, when the Holy Spirit is moving at least for me that's only matters is me and the Lord, yeah, so, oh, I feel like that would have followed. But if you've never been there for you would have to grow into that. But I think it could be achieved.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I've just had a couple people, like you know. I've had one person come up to me and ask me to talk to Natalie about just the spontaneous and maybe doing a little less. I told her, if you need to talk to her, I'm not going to tell her that we need to do less spontaneous because it's you know, obviously I'm not in the place to cut, that's all shots, but it's interesting and I think it is because that we're trying to. We're not a secret friendly church and we're that's obvious because we're very much like we're going somewhere and if you're not on the boat, we're leaving, and so and Pastor Jeremy has made that very clear, which is okay, and I'm glad I'm on this boat because it's like I'm sick of being at dock.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we need to stop being tamed or being at bay. And two things either they're born or they're. It's a religious spirit.
Speaker 3:That's what I was going to want to go into next.
Speaker 2:Yeah it's a religious spirit and we're bored because we don't know. We want the popular song.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 3:And okay, that's okay. That's why I do the Maverick city. You want to do the elevation worship?
Speaker 2:Yeah we want to do whoever you know, like like Wayne was saying checkman, johnny, you know, but you know, bless his heart, but still you know it's like and that's good, but it's like, why are you born? Yeah don't you have a word in you?
Speaker 3:Yeah, you don't have to be on the boat with the senior word either. No, and that's a thing is a lot of the time I think people feel like they need to.
Speaker 3:they need to be given a mic, or they need to be given some sort of place of where they are heard, or see, they don't when people understand that worship isn't for the congregations, for Jesus and they're ministering to the Lord, you won't need to be heard by the other people in the congregation. When I'm in the audience and I don't mean to pat myself on the back, I'm giving this as an example. I hope people understand like this isn't me trying to be prideful or anything.
Speaker 3:But, it's when I'm in the congregation. I'm not on serving which is less often than when I'm serving but it's like I'm just singing out, like if there's something spontaneous that comes to me. It can be completely off, like it can be completely different than what Natalie is singing right now, but most of the time it's not because we're connected to the same Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1:Anyway, I'm going to talk about. I can't connect with that.
Speaker 3:It can't connect with that. My bad, sorry. Yeah, I know, you know how I am. Yeah, I know, and it's just like I'm singing the same thing but what God's given to me, and it's like I don't have to be on stage to do it. No,
