Open Waters Podcast
This podcast is all about what God is doing in Utah through the church, and through the ministry of Open Waters Worship. If you don't know who we are, we are a worship ministry in the heart of Salt Lake City, Utah who's reason for being is JESUS. We want all people to have GROWTH, not only in relationship with our King, but with the people around us as well. We also want people to cultivate a deep and pure INTIMACY with God, and from that intimacy a FREEDOM to be who we are called to be; and to top it off we want the body of Christ to radiate UNITY. The body as a whole can accomplish so much more than one person alone. So we want to ask you, are you ready to join us in an effort to unify the body, and grow in relationship? Are you ready for what true intimacy with the King looks like? If so, come give us a listen! We'd love to hear your feedback as well. Tell us your thoughts and if you have a question feel free to reach out to us! We love you and pray for an overflowing in all avenues of your life <3
Open Waters Podcast
28: Unraveling the Mysteries of God
Have you ever wondered how much more there is to learn about God even after accepting the gospel? Join us in this fascinating journey as we talk about unraveling the mysteries of God. We invite you to our open waters worship, an experience filled with the presence of the Holy Spirit, and a chance for you to partake in the exploration of God's mysteries.
Ever thought about the power that the names of God hold? Let's take a deep dive into how understanding these names can transform your faith and prayer life. We share insights on feeling God's absence in certain cultures and recognizing His presence in America, even amid chaos. As we navigate these topics, we'll also offer practical advice on sparking your desire to learn and understand more about God, reminding you that understanding His mysteries is a journey, not a destination.
Staying disciplined in our spiritual lives can be tough, right? Let's discuss finding motivation for spiritual discipline and acknowledging that each one of us connects with God in our unique ways. Moreover, we emphasize the importance of spending time with God - not as an attempt to earn something, but as a way of expressing gratitude for the time He has given us. We end this enlightening episode by talking about God's revelations and give you a sneak peek into our upcoming podcasts. Immerse yourself in the joy of exploring God's mysteries and the privilege of being entrusted with His responsibilities. We promise that this episode will leave you with a renewed sense of purpose in exploring God's mysteries.
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He's a gracious king compared to all the kings in history who are put people to death for getting too close to them. Yeah, like that, it's like he allows us to freely come, sit at his feet and to circle around him and explore who he is and his Mysteries, and it's like wow, we've got a great king. And so you just get to explore different things like that and just get to see different angles when you get into the presence. And so, hello everybody, welcome to this week's open waters podcast episode. I said that really weird, but that's okay.
Speaker 2:Waters worship, yes sir.
Speaker 1:Open waters podcast coming back at you for episode 28 and it's going to be fantastic and I do it. We took kind of a little bit sabbatical last week because we had a couple people out and I didn't want to be meaning me. Okay, just I know my co-host was gone once again. Anyway, we're going to just, you know, start things off again, and so we're going to be getting the ball rolling with our bi-weekly podcast for the open waters.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just a reminder to people we have open waters worship on the second and fourth Saturdays of every month. That would be at 6 pm and you can DM us for information on the address. But all ages are welcome. You're feel free to invite whoever you want to come. We want everyone to partake. It's an atmosphere of freedom. We really allow people to flow in the gifts and just. We follow the Holy Spirit from start to finish.
Speaker 2:Yeah pick our songs and we follow where the Holy Spirit leads. And we've seen people get saved, we've seen people get freedom, we've seen healing, we've seen just incredible unity. We've seen the miraculous happen. So we just want to invite you to come, invite your friends and, of course, this Saturday and just a few short days, yeah, we'll be having our open waters worship. I'm excited.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, if you want to, there is going to be a Q&A thing afterwards. Just tell us anything that you want to. If you want to, anything we can improve on Quality wise or anything that you would like us to talk about, put it down in the Q&A section. There will be a spot for you, and so we want to hear from you, totally anyway. So what is? I know what today is all about, because I've been going God's been kind of revealing this to me, but yeah, what?
Speaker 2:about you. Are we doing our more about us Do you want to do one more about us?
Speaker 1:What if you've been? You can do it. We're making quick though today. Okay, what do you want it? What's new with you?
Speaker 2:What's new with me? Okay, do you prefer sunshiney weather or do you prefer thunderstorms?
Speaker 1:I prefer it to be overcast and kind of like people would say, classify as like depressing weather. I prefer like the rain and cloudy than the sunny shine, because then I just enjoy it more. There's not as much blinding sunlight and also it's just like oh no, just much more relaxing.
Speaker 2:I love the feeling of the warmth on my face and Skin when I'm at the beach and the hot sand and the warm water. But I love me a good strong Thunderstorm, thunder and lightning and all the kind of stuff. I just feel so cozy when that happens. Nothing like it. And we kind of have that weather right now outside, which is kind of nice because you don't usually get that in Utah.
Speaker 1:It is nice.
Speaker 2:You get a lot of fake outs, a lot of oh I think it's gonna storm, but then nothing happens.
Speaker 1:I will say, though, this year's gonna have been has been pretty decent.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the rain, that's been pretty decent.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of people saying you, we're gonna get hit pretty hard with snow this year.
Speaker 2:So we got hit pretty hard last year, but thank you Jesus, no flooding, so there was flooding, just not here.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean other parts of the yeah, some of the upper. Bless the people that did get flooded.
Speaker 2:Yeah, anyway anyhow, topic this week you're excited about cuz. You picked it.
Speaker 1:I am. I did what is it and it's really exciting because it's just something you know, I keep saying this to people and I you have I may have said it to somebody on a different part another podcast.
Speaker 2:Would that be man Wells?
Speaker 1:It was. It was on this, but when I plug, plug, plug.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm worshiping musician. Check them out. Yeah, but I think it was last week we did our podcast with Manuel oh, and I think I might have talked briefly on this. But just the amount of mystery God has, yeah, and how a Lot of people stop when we hit the oh, I've received the gospel. There's nothing else to learn about Jesus, yeah, and honestly, I just want to say that is completely false and we could end the episode right there, and you can take that for what it is. But there is so much to God and so much to His mysteries that even the angels have spent 24 hours in the day, or thousands of hours.
Speaker 1:There's no day, it's just yeah, they spent all of eternity so far just for, you know, exploring Jesus, going around Him and experiencing the newness of God, there's something new every time they circle Him and it's just like why would we stop at just accepting the gospel? And that's it.
Speaker 1:You know, there's so much more to Him than we think there is, and it's really cool to think about, which is, in turn, a mystery in itself. You know how big and how vast His mysteries are, and how deep is it, how wide is His love, how you know, there's just so much.
Speaker 2:So much to Him.
Speaker 2:So, I'm looking up the verse that we really it was, I think, kind of talks about this, just looking it up in some different translations, but it's Proverbs 25, too, and it was so cool because on Sunday our pastor started talking about this scripture verse. Well, the sermon was on that and it is of course, from Proverbs 25, too. And it says in the Amplified which I live it says it is the glory of God to conceal a matter, but the glory of kings is to search out a matter. And then it talks. So let me see I'm going to read in the Passion translation God conceals the revelation of His word and the hiding place of His glory. But the honor of kings is revealed by how thoroughly they search out the deeper meaning of all God says, and so the hiding place of His glory. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know it talks about. Hey, you have to be in the glory to experience the revelation or the mysteries of God.
Speaker 2:So yes, so that's pretty cool. I know it is.
Speaker 1:Sorry, keep going. I don't mean to interrupt, that's OK. It's OK, no, you're excited.
Speaker 2:So it talks about in the commentary in the Passion translation. There is beautiful poetry in the Hebrew text. The word for hide is kathar and the word for word is debar. The Hebrew is actually a kabad glory kathar, hidden, debar the word. So that's just kind of some poetry through that, which I think is beautiful. There's even those kinds of literary things hidden throughout God's word. And then it talks about where it says the honor of kings. The commentary there is we have been made kings and priests, royal lovers of God, because of God's grace and redeeming blood. And if you aren't sure about that, check out 1 Peter, 2, 9 and Revelation 5, 8 through 10. But God has made us those things, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, and so it is ours to go search out what he's hidden.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so Super cool stuff, man. And so this kind of all started a while ago with me kind of thinking about this, and it started I think I've already mentioned this maybe I've mentioned it to people definitely but in the story of Samson there was an angel that showed up to Samson's parents and pretty much what he said. I'm going to really like summarize this paraphrase, so I'm going to give you the Josiah version.
Speaker 2:Josiah.
Speaker 1:But pretty much this angel angel said hey, I've got a name, but you guys won't understand it. And his parents were like tell us your name. And he's like you guys, just straight up, won't understand. And so I was like if this angel has a name that doesn't understand, that we won't understand, like our mind won't comprehend, and how many names does God have that we just won't be able to understand? And so it's like is it possible for us to, like my mind started just asking these random questions, like can we even attempt to understand these names, or how many names does he have? You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:And so it started with the mystery of how many names and what names are there that I actually don't know? Yeah, you know, because there's a lot of names that are in the Bible, like Yeshua, abba, all these other ones, king of Kings, lord of Lords, all those names that he has, but there's even ones that, in our language or our tongue, or any tongue on the earth right now, we just don't know yet. Yeah, you know, and there's ones in languages we don't know, that are heavenly languages that he is that we don't know or can't understand.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's super cool. I actually that's interesting I had just put out there to a couple of friends of mine we used to do Bible study together and then we kind of turned it to more of let's just hang out together and so I just put it out there. I'm like, why don't we study the names of God? Because I, in part of my studies, when I was researching, I just came across this really cool website that had the names of God and explained them and I thought what if we each just get the one name of God and we go through it? We were researched on our own. Let God reveal things to us, find scripture versus throughout the Bible. And then, just because when you like not when you learn more about God's names, you know they describe him for a reason, then it impacts you how your faith and how you pray and all. It impacts so much when you realize those things, just like today.
Speaker 2:I was actually in my Bible study today and I was reading, just reading through. Let me see what it was Second Corinthians, one through five, and one of the things it. One of the things that referred to, god is and I know the Holy Spirit is Comforter, but in the Amplified it said blessed, gratefully praised and adored be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and the God of all comfort. And I was just struck by. I knew the Holy Spirit is referred to as the Comforter, but I had never really looked at that specific God of all comfort, really, truly the comfort that we have, true comfort, and I'm not talking about coping comfort and things we do to comfort ourselves that are temporary, but true comfort.
Speaker 2:He's the God of all comfort. And just that revelation today, it just you know how the Holy Spirit just highlights something to you and it hit me. I've read that verse probably a dozen times, but it just hit me in a new way.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, even in the literal sense, god is all comfort. I mean, there was a video that had this person that talked to like God gave him a vision of what hell was like for 10 minutes. Oh yeah, you were talking about that. And this is like opposite side of that, but like literally he's just like God is everything good. And so it's like when we say God is all comfort, like he literally is all things that are good, like the air we breathe to, like the light we have to see.
Speaker 2:Right. So it's just like and I think, like what you, I think where you're going, is he experienced not?
Speaker 2:feeling God, the absence of being away from God, and and yeah, that's very interesting to just kind of like a sidebar, but when I went to Germany recently, when I came back, I really was thinking I just had this kind of emotional moment and I know USA is my home, but I just realized that actually took me a couple days and it hit me. I was thinking I felt the Godlessness in Berlin. I don't know that all Germany is that way, but there was, there was just a God, a lack of God there, and he's still here, right, he is Holy Spirit, is with us, he's in us. So he has not been taken from you know, he's still here, right. So there is a measure there.
Speaker 2:But in all of the history and all of the things there in the culture, there really just isn't God. And, whether we realize it or not, I sense the hand of God on America, even throughout the crap and the exposure that's happening right now, which is actually a good thing, even though it's very painful. There's a lot of chaos and a lot of other things going, but it just I felt God and so just even being, let's say, a few paces away from God, you know, at least we have them in our culture, at least in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2:It's in our history, it's in, you know, different things. I mean, our whole country was. You know how it was. There's so much in our history that's based on God. Even our government, the way it's set up, it's all based on the Bible and different things. Whether people want to acknowledge that or not, our rights, our bill of rights, is because of rights that we've been given through the word of God, that we have as humans. So, anyway, all that to say to have no God, to feel no God, to have no access to him and his glory and the is just to even just be a space away from that, but to have none of it would be blah, terrible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I kind of wanted to move into that, like you know, giving people like some practical ways to or I don't know where to go, because I want to talk about the ways that we can experience or reveal different aspects of God, like have revelation. But also I Think there's a lack of Desire. I mean, not everybody has read their book every day. You know saying it's very much hard to get into a habit of it and also to have the want to, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, well, because you're you're fighting against you're fighting against flesh and blood you're, you're fighting against spirits, the spiritual warfare.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of things our body too, like you know, just as us as a human willing flesh is weak. Yeah, yeah yeah, and so it's like. So I think what we'll do is we can just you know this.
Speaker 2:This is oh, sorry, I was gonna say, I think, first of all, why are we talking about this on a worship podcast?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think we're talking about on a worship podcast because for me, when we get in worship, I think that's a prime I would say Goal but then also I mean we're, we're adoring him, we're worshiping him up, we're lifting him up. At the same time, it's like we are getting invited by him Into his glory and into the deep things of who he is. And so many times in worship, in that glory, when we are lifting him up and worshiping him, focusing on him, experiencing that, that's when these unveiling happens, because one we're slow down enough to hear it, we have the space to hear it. There's the set aside space and place in a Mentally, physically, spiritually, we're together with other believers. So in the room you not only have your worship but you're combining in unity the way God designed it the synergy, the, the chemistry, the, all the things that happen physiologically and spiritually, the angels that are in the room you know just, it all is intensified, the gifts are released so that a person who has, you know, a certain gift that I don't have it unveils more.
Speaker 2:So it's like you're, there's more, it's like this spotlight grows, and it's width and bandwidth of what it's, what it reveals together, and so yeah, I mean, and if you're alone, it still is. It's still the same concept too, because there are things that he just has for you, you know, and there are certain things that you can't hear in the middle of all not everything's corporate, but I do think that exploring God's mysteries is 100% a part of worship.
Speaker 1:Because, if I think a lot of people will settle for that Contemporary worship where they're just singing three songs instead of actually exploring the depth, and that's like you know, at new creation we do a lot of quiet time and I think it's good, and I, because it gives us that space to, oh the music to stop. I don't know what to sing. Right, I had to go back to what I've read in the Bible to actually Sing something to God which couldn't turn, just make me reveal different parts of him, or he's gonna prophetically provide things to you To sing. And it's like this is awesome, you get to, we get to give you a place to and we get to join with you, because it's not, it's not a one-party thing. It's not us, we're doing worship and you joining in. It's us doing worship together, you as the audience and us as the musicians.
Speaker 1:Yeah and it's a. It's just. We're just joining in to the heavens, chorus and I find that.
Speaker 2:So the, the Bible, the word of God, is sharp and double-edged sword. It rightly divides truth from false it it is powerful, effective, it sets, it, accomplishes what it sets out to do. And I find that we better Like for me personally when I add some worship to that, when I just even put some.
Speaker 2:So can you see behind it, if there's something about it that that puts me, it readies my spirit to receive what God is saying and doing and what God is revealing it's. I just think it's like a, a relationship. It's so much better.
Speaker 2:You know when you are, when somebody, let's just say you have a Person, I'm very I'm bringing down God into something, analogy that we can maybe understand, but just like a dating relationship, that person, let's say it's their birthday or a special event or whatever. You or you're just taking them out for a date and you are, you've set aside this place, space and place and you take the time to just honor them and to love on them and to you know, focus on them and who they are, and then they open up and they are like let me tell you about this they reveal a part of themselves because they feel safe and Vulnerable, and so they reveal that part of themselves and you learn more about them and you love them more. There's this beautiful process of connection that happens and and I I kind of and a very smaller scale With us, but a large scale with God, mm-hmm, I think this is kind of a yeah, a cool analogy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I.
Speaker 1:Was also gonna say crap, that I just forget it what I was gonna say.
Speaker 1:So sorry, I talked to no you were okay, that was, that was not you, but it. Anyway, I was gonna say kind of the same thing. It's just like it's really cool to be able to reveal and the music part does go along within it. It does just kind of invite that atmosphere because it gets our whole being ready. Actually, this is what I was going to say is a good, you can say the right thing at the wrong time and it's just not gonna be received. But if you say the right thing at the right time, it's gonna be received as it should be Exactly.
Speaker 1:And so I think that's what worship does is it gives us that right place with the right time and it's gonna give him that place to just kind of plop this gift that he is, this nugget of gold A lot of people will call good words or revelation nuggets and it's like he's gonna plop this nugget in and so worship helps. Just give that landing pad for that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think again, we've said it a gazillion times that worship God doesn't have to brush off the things of the day or the week or the the like. You know. For us, like on Sunday, there were some new people that caused me to take some time all the way through worship because there was some history and it took me quite a while to break through. Yeah, To allow me to receive some of the mysteries of God and to really enter in, because I was in my head yeah.
Speaker 2:So sometimes it takes a minute for us, as humans, to to let go of things and to yeah right time type of deal.
Speaker 2:So I also I think it would be good to just to mention before we move forward is so a former past, one of the pastors on staff, pastor Craig, preached on how do we learn about the mysteries of God, and another thing that he pointed out is praying in the spirit is another powerful way for you to receive um from the Lord, because I think of it this way too like we talk about and we have, I do sozo, and it's an inter healing ministry. If you haven't experienced it, I highly recommend it. Um, but we do a thing called art sozo. When you do art sozo, we talk about how it takes you into the side of your brain where God can come in and deal with some of the wounds, because you're in your creative side of your brain.
Speaker 2:Well, when you pray in tongues, they have done like scams of the brain. When you are praying in the Holy spirit, and tongues and heavenly language and it literally there are no other kind of brain waves any other time than like the ones that are present when you are praying in the spirit. So something happens when you pray in the spirit, it does something where it's almost like that same kind of concept. When you're in that, when you're basically kind of almost like outside of your mind because you're in this heavenly communication, god is able to bypass and really drop things into your spirit and do things in the spiritual, spiritual realm inside of you and through you that aren't normally able to be done because you're too much in your head or you know those kinds of things. So, yeah, so.
Speaker 1:I think it's important. Other topic it's important to that's a really good tool.
Speaker 2:to worship is a good tool for seeking out that glory, and praying in the spirit is a really good tool for for that quiet is another one, because there's a verse that talks about always, but you're this, but in quietness and trust is their salvation, or something I get almost messed up, but essentially be still and know that I am God, right, and there's stillness to that stilling of your mind, of your, your schedule, of everything that you're able to receive and absorb these mysteries. Yeah, I agree which creates more worship and adoration of him.
Speaker 1:Hey, they're sorry for the interruption. Just wanted to say, if you haven't already rate and reviewed this podcast, it would mean the absolute world to us If you could rate and review and share this with somebody you know. That way we can get the word out and we can help other people dive deeper into God's open waters. Now let's get back to the podcast. What are some ways that people can? Because it's one thing to start experiencing new mysteries of God, but it's another thing to want to explore new mysteries of God. So I guess this might be a two-parter, but I'm not sure we'll see how long this takes. But so my, my first thing is, like I was starting to talk about is you know, a lot of us find, like you know, the habit of getting into the word every day is a hassle for some of us, including myself. Like I can find myself like, oh, haven't read my word yet. It's right before bed. Or in some days it's like, oh, I've read my word, I've read a whole chapter and it's literally seven o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's like sometimes you're doing great and sometimes you're not doing so great. And it's like then, other times you find yourself like, oh, do I really want to spend the time?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And you know that's a whole like topic on its own is just like finding, but I think it's important to kind of go for, kind of right now, is just how do you, how would you say you get, how do you find the drive, I guess to dive in and just spend the time to take it's not even spending because it's not, it's a gift. You know, god gave us the time, so it's giving back the time, I guess, is how I should. But give back the time that God, you know, gave to us.
Speaker 2:I really struggle with this myself and I think different personalities, like I can think of Connie May and other people who don't struggle with this at all. They get up early every day. They have been for years and years and years right.
Speaker 1:And you can see it, and you can see it, and so at first she'll be like this. Last Sunday she was literally quoting the verses that pastor was reading. He's like she didn't even pull out her Bible. She's just like, oh, that's Psalm 23.
Speaker 2:Right, right, right, yeah, so she I mean. So I, I struggle, and I don't know if it's because of laziness, because of you know what, but I do struggle and I know that God doesn't love me less. I don't think I have to do it for religious reasons. I'm not earning anything by it, but I know that when I do, I feel so much better.
Speaker 2:Like everything goes better for me and I feel I feel clean and I feel I feel centered on him, I feel at one with him, I feel connected to him. It's like any relationship If you don't have connection with them, where it's just you and them. So I that's what I try to focus on. Is you know, cause? I? I used to do it really good every day but then I stepped away cause I don't want to be religious, and then I kind of the pendulum kind of has swung, swung to the middle now, where it's like no, I need this. And when I'm in his presence, there's nothing like it.
Speaker 2:And I always have all these high when we were in worship on Sunday. I'm like I'm going to fast for two weeks and I want to. I know God's calling me to a fast because I want to. I know there there's transition. I know the Lord wants to reveal things to me, but then I encounter that that's where the discipline factor comes in. So I don't know if I really have an answer for you, josiah, other than I know it's like this sounds silly, but somebody created a saying nothing tastes better than losing weight, feels like when you're at your right weight it feels better. And sometimes in the moment you want that thing. But when you are disciplined and you eat right, you actually feel better and I think that sometimes helps me to think about that, when I think about what I'm going to feel on the other side when I don't have that time with him. Or when I do have that time with him how, how much better I feel like and how much I gain. That helps me push through. But it is a struggle for me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was gonna kind of go into the same thing. It is kind of like you got to. You have to figure out for yourself because it's different for each person. Like for me right now, my biggest thing is making sure I go to the gym and work out, and I work out hard, so it's not like I'm, oh, I'm going to the gym and lifting weights, it's like, and I go to the gym and I sweat and I work hard, and why is that? It's like the same thing as why do I need to read the Bible or why should? I Is because of how I want to be, is I want to be a fit person. That's why I go to the gym. I want to. I want to be big. I want to carry a lot of weight. Not like, not like be big, like carry. My body has a lot of fat on it, that type of weight, but I want to just be able to carry heavy weight.
Speaker 2:You want to be strong.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so it's kind of like where do you want to be in your relationship with God? Because you can be okay with, like I think Pastor talked about this on Sunday it's okay to be that person that slides by into heaven and you know, and that's okay. I mean, so that's going to be just fine, just, you know, except in the gospel and calling it good there.
Speaker 2:But there's so much more.
Speaker 1:And so much more.
Speaker 2:It's glorious right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so, and I think for me, as a worship leader and as a worshipper, I want to be that worshipper that likes, that, is able to worship in spirit and in truth, and I don't think that happens unless I know the truth of who God is yeah, which I will never reach the end of, and so that's what encourages me. And you know I'm not going to say I read my Bible every day, because I definitely don't. I'm trying my hardest to, and so it's just, it's a process that we work on, but it's also is there's still rest days on my workout schedule. You know I'm saying so. It's not like it doesn't have to be religious. Where it's a thing on my checklist, the Sunday, it's a Sunday morning or Sunday evening.
Speaker 1:We don't want that to be because if you start doing that, it's going to burn you out. And it happens a lot of with a lot of things that you do in life, like a lot of people burn themselves out on a diet because it's like this food sucks. I hate eating chicken and rice every day and I do it anyway and it's just like okay, you just, it's just one thing after another. You know saying and so don't, don't do something that's going to burn yourself out. So if you can read your Bible, you know, and just explore that way, turn on a couple like I don't know, it's different for everybody, it's so variable, it's insane.
Speaker 1:But, how do you create the drive, I would say is look at who God is and who God is to you. What he's done, yeah and come. You can do it from a lot of different directions, but for me it's who do I want to be? I want to be a worshipper that worships the.
Speaker 1:Spirit and the truth. Yeah, so I'm going into this place because I want to. I want to become this, this person, this powerful worshipper who reveals who God is, the mysteries of God, and I want to have revelation when I worship, for myself and for whoever I'm worshipping with.
Speaker 2:I think that's another. Was that it?
Speaker 1:No, that was yeah. Was it for now? Sure.
Speaker 2:That was that's another thing you just brought up that I don't know if we've talked about this before, but we did the worship summit worshiping musicians summit and that was so powerful. One of the one of the most powerful things I walked away with was just um Hibbard just uh, I forgot her first name, but anyway, she talked about how, as worshipers, we go to heaven, we receive nuggets from heaven, these mysteries from heaven, and we release them on earth, and then it's like the people who are worshiping with us and that we're leading then begin to echo and to learn those things and to release those things as well. And so I think it is really important that we are in our quiet time, you know, developing these tools and skills, and also just we. I mean, it is, it's a gift, but it's also a responsibility as leaders to lead people to this place.
Speaker 1:For some that's going to be challenging. I mean, when I hear responsibility, there's a lot of people that cringe and there's a lot of people that rise to the occasion because I think we bump into our human and another laziness because we want to be comfortable. Shout out to the cuffed season from Transformation Church. He did a whole episode or like a whole Sunday service is like an hour long on cuff to comfort and it's like gotta get out of your comfort zone to be able to be able to be able to take on the responsibility and the the true path God wants you to be on.
Speaker 2:And so I mean what a beautiful, what a beautiful thing to be entrusted with that responsibility, to be able to go into the secret place, to be able to find the mysteries of God and then be able to declare those mysteries. What an honor, what a privilege that responsibility.
Speaker 1:I would also say like it's, it's. This is kind of it's on the topic of, you know, exploring God's mysteries. It's just like it's, but it's a little bit different from this, what I was talking about just a second ago. It's just like what? How good of a king is he to allow us to explore who he is? Because a lot of kings would kind of conceal themselves away because they're royalty and we're peons. I was going to say that, but I don't know they're poppers, even though we're kings and priests too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just like there's, there's the high king, and we were here and we're somehow able to learn and be in the presence and explore who our king is. And it's like, as I think, we've lost that so much in who God, who a king is to us that's another thing that I've been really going through, too is just like exploring what does it mean to have a king? Because there's a, there's a respect and an honor that has really been lost throughout time, I think, up to this point, because we kind of have learned to disrespect and to not care about who our leaders are, and it's like well, they're still, still, still still.
Speaker 1:I'm having a struggle with my still. I'm trying to wrap right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you are. We have trouble respecting our leaders and I think we've lost how to actually have respect and honor for leaders regardless and in in reality, I don't think any of us really know how to respect and truly yield to a king because, we've been in the United States. Maybe you haven't, maybe you have come from like a place that has a monarchy, but for me I've lived in the United States and I don't know at all how it is to have a king, because a king demands 100% respect and honor.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And it's, it's not, it's unyielding, it's. There's no question about his, his placement.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And so in in the regards to that, it's just like with a king and the limited knowledge and knowing what it's like to have a king he's a gracious king, at least all the compared to all the kings in the history who are put people to death for getting too close to them and stuff like that. It's like he allows us to freely come, sit at his feet and to circle around him and explore who he is and his mysteries, and it's like wow, we've got a great king. And so you just get to explore different things like that and just get to see different angles when you get into the presence. And so, like we were saying, it is a responsibility that we have as a worshiper and as worship leaders and maybe just people in wielders of the word you know, to learn more about who he is, and it's really cool.
Speaker 2:Well, and I think too, Josiah, as you bring that up, as the Lord reveals mysteries to us, we're he's appointed us as kings, royal priesthood, a holy nation that we are to follow his example, he who deserves all of the glory, all of the honor, the worship and the praise and all that, he himself did not consider himself higher than us, but Lord himself, and so we are to follow his example. So, as the Lord I mean, there's a great Temptation, when you stand in the Holy of Holies and as you're getting revelation, to think oh, this is about me, I must have read my Bible right.
Speaker 2:I must be pure enough, I must be leading people so well. But it has nothing to do with you. It has to do with a good king who is the God of all comfort, who's the God of all mercies, who is pure. He is the reason why the veil was torn and you can go to the Holy of Holies and why you are a king and priest who can stand in his presence. So to just follow his example and to not think you are higher than the people that you are serving and pastoring and leading.
Speaker 1:A lot of us look at systems in that regard that we just try to be like oh, I read my Bible, so that must be how I get more revelation. Or I prayed this many times this week.
Speaker 2:It's very controllable.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's just like. That's not how it works. He freely, he gives us with open hands, he gives them his mysteries and the answers to who he is. It's just like. But it can't be religious. You can't slip into that religious. Oh, I've read my Bible seven times this week. Every day I've prayed for an hour long. I fasted three days this week. That's how you get revelation and maybe sometimes God is asking you to do that type of thing but you can't get into a religious mindset and that may not work every time it doesn't happen because of what you've done.
Speaker 2:It happens because of your obedience and your heart towards the Lord.
Speaker 1:It also happens because of what Jesus did on the cross, because he freely gave us the Holy Spirit, and that's why we have open access to his mysteries. It's super cool. Bam, that's good, just Cool stuff, those are good stuff this is some good stuff, some good stuff. And so I was going to say, like you know, building up that want is, for me, the biggest thing that's helped with me want to learn more about God is just realizing how much there is to learn.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I think sometimes we can get overwhelmed, but it's just like. It's just amazing how you know this creator of the universe. Okay, he created the universe, just that in itself. You can start the very first verse in the Bible in the beginning. You know what I'm saying. Okay, so you can be like wow, God was there before in the beginning. He has no beginning. It's just like right there, there's a million things to think about. Right there, right a million.
Speaker 1:Then you can think about okay, he spent what was said to be seven days. What were those days? Like you know what I'm saying, yeah, Were those Earth days, were those eternity days, which we don't know how long those are.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, I am going to differ with you on that but I'm a solid creationist and do lots of studies on that. But you're right, it's cause for looking into God.
Speaker 1:What are the mysteries of God. Yeah, and so there's. You can literally just think about anything that you want to learn about God, who he is, what he's done. And there's a story in the Bible, there's a passage or a parable that he said you know, that will just give you a little more insight and it's just like leaning into that learning, leaning into what you don't know, because there's going to be forever more to learn about him, which, for me, is encouraging because it's like you know, we tend, as humans, to be like oh, I've learned everything there is possible. And we get that way. When we said yes to the gospel, I think a lot of people say I've learned everything. He loves us that much and that's it, and I don't want people to get there.
Speaker 2:Which is funny when our brains don't even use their full capacity. So if God gave us a brain initially with creation, it was to absorb a lot more than we're absorbing. And then two we put God so many times in our box of humanity. We forget that Jesus, God, he doesn't fit into this box of humanity. He is God and this box is just like a miller fraction portion of who he is. Like he, he, he. Humanity can't pop. This is why, even when we experience the presence of the Lord, sometimes our bodies can't handle it. People shake, they quake, they laugh, they do pass out bizarre things, because our bodies are just getting a touch from the Lord, Just one little touch.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So whenever we try, we try to put God into our human box and what we're capable of, and we can be known. It can be known. I mean, we've got a lot of intricacies and it can take years, but we're not like, we're not God.
Speaker 1:No, it's a bottomless, it's it's a bottomless, unfathomable we're not like well of information and experience and truth.
Speaker 2:So that's cool, huh, it's wild.
Speaker 1:It's just cool to think about.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, I guess just kind of like as like a couple of things before we kind of started to end. This is just like what are some ways that you have found that have shown you revelation? Maybe you fasted a couple of days, and I want to give people tools. I don't want you to get religious about this because this may not work for you, but explore, because God's God's given us freedom and he's given us different ways to access him, and so it could be for me.
Speaker 2:I've read a single story, and that was a story of Samson, and it's just given me a lot of revelation into from, even from like dating to blessing, and it's just like even into this where who God is and how big he is truly, and so yeah, I would say also another thing I would like to ask you, as you're thinking, to ponder not you, just I, but, like the, the audience is, the listener is to say have you, if you're a worship leader or a leader of any sort, but especially as worship leaders, whatever that is, that could be a dancer, it could be a painter, it could be a singer, it could be an instrumentals, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 2:The list goes on. Have you taken the responsibility of pulling down the mysteries of heaven and releasing them to the people that you're leading? Have you taken that responsibility, really, like, carried the weight of that, not in a way that bogs you down, but just have you recognized that that's a responsibility that you have? And what are you doing with that responsibility? Yeah, I mean, really talk to God about that.
Speaker 1:So it's our job as worshipers to do that. Yeah, and so well. For me, the way that I said, like I said, is reading, and it was just like one of the few times that I read just came out. A few times I do read a little bit, but it's just one of those times that you read and you're just like the most iconic story of Samson. You know, it's just like. So go back and you know, I would suggest you don't don't give up on those stories that you know, maybe by heart, because there's a lot of parts of the story I didn't know Right, and it's just revealed something super cool. Yep, it's just a single sentence. So don't, don't, don't give up on those sentences.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then also I would say pray, you know, get it you know, get to know God in, you know worship. And so read his word pray, worship, obviously.
Speaker 2:Yep, yep.
Speaker 1:Growing a relationship with him.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:So you got anything else.
Speaker 2:Nope, I think I'm good.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Well, it's a lot to think about.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so hit us up with those questions and answers and let us know if there is something God is talking to you about and revealing one of his many mysteries to you about, because we want to hear him and we want to discuss them, because I think it'd be cool to hear what you guys are experiencing, what God's revealing to you, because you know he's revealing something to everybody and he's always talking. It's just whether you're listening or not, that's right.
Speaker 2:He's standing at the door knocking.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah. So I hope and I pray that he's revealed something new to you this week and we will see you guys next week.
Speaker 2:Two weeks, two weeks, yeah, this Saturday for open waters worship podcast and on the second Saturday of the month, boom yes Park, we're keeping our Saturdays Podcast is on the same week as open waters Yep. So this is the fourth Saturday and it's happening this Saturday and then you will have another podcast in a few weeks on the second Saturday. Love you guys.
Speaker 1:All right, peace Bye.
